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hold when they two to bed at night. no, it's the policeman's often lonely, often dangerous job to keep a just order, yes, a tight lid on an unjust world. that doesn't work at an eight-hour shift. this isn't just about the cops, my fellow americans, it's about our country. if you want lasting peace and not just a tighter lid on injustice, we've got to lead our young people to productive paths. we need to find them jobs, need to teach them the joy of hope. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from ferguson, missouri. i am chris hayes and at this moment, the sun is setting here in ferguson, missouri. we're in the midst of a situation that could be best described as peaceful, but eerie and tense. let me tell you the latest. we're on west floreson avenue, the site of protests, largely peaceful protests but also some
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examples of loolt iting tlrks h been mall tov cocktails thrown. militarized presence later in the week and a respite. you're seeing an aerial view of that. what's happened tonight is a change of tactics from the police. they have closed off floreson to vehicular traffic. they are required that protesters walk and keep moving and not congress fwgate so what you're seeing is protesters on the sidewalks walking right now, peacefully, chanting, justice for mike brown, hands up, don't shoot, no justice, no peace. many of them holding red roses in their hands. i've seen young children here. i've seen senior citizens. right now it's largely young people, as you see, walking behind me. over the blow horns shouting, no justice, no peace. right now, a peaceful scene here. this is all peaceable assembly we're seeing at this hour. the decision made to close off west floreson to traffic, at the same time, lifting the curfew.
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there is no dramatic deadline built into this evening's activities. there are reports of concrete barriers placed a few blocks from here to prevent cars from coming to floreson who don't have family or businesses here. today, this morning, we finally have some concrete information about how he was killed and it did not come from law enforcement. an autopsy commissioned by brown's family found he was struck by at least six bullets. all hitting the front of his body. >> dr. bond and i concluded that he was shot at least six times. we've got one to the very top of the head. the apex. we've got one that entered just above the right eyebrow. we've got one that entered the top part of the right arm. we've got a graze wound, a superficial graze wound, to the middle part of the right arm. we've got a wound that entered
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the medial aspect of the right arm. and we've got a deep graze wound that produced a laceration to the palm of the right hand. >> most of those wounds are relatively superficial, according to dr. michael baddon, the former new york city medical pammer examiner who led the autopsy. >> all of these gunshot wounds were survivable except for the one to the top of the head that went through the brain. >> according to the doctors who conducted the autopsy, the two shots fired at mike brown's head at an angle suggesting he was bent forward at the time likely delivered the final and fatal blow. >> dr. baden, i do feel because of the two gunshot wounds to the head, indicating that mr. brown was bending over as they were coming down, those two shots were most likely the last two to
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occur to him. >> attorney ben crump spoke at the press conference on behalf of brown's family asking the key question that many here in ferguson, many that i've spoken to say is the heart of these protests. >> his mother wanted to ask the question that dr. baden nor any of the lawyers could answer. what else do we need to give them to arrest the killer of my child? >> on the streets of ferguson it's a different scene tonight, after the worst night of violence since the protests began last week, with tear gas deployed up to three hours before the midnight curfew, gunshots fired and stores looted along the main commercial strip including a fire set at the delwood market. governor jay nixon called in the national forward today to help protect the highway patrol's command center which is just about a half mile to a mile away from where we are now. law enforcement firms say that command center came under a coordinated attack last night.
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we'll have more about the heavily contested details of just what happened during that event in a bit. with the national guard on the ground, there's no curfew tonight. some streets have already been locked down for hours and remains to be seen just how that will impact events on the ground. we'll bring you the latest as it unfolds throughout the hour. and today, for the second time since mike brown was killed, president obama weighed in on the situation in ferguson. >> too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. in too many communities, too many young men of color are left behind and seen only as objects of fear. through initiatives like my brother's keeper, i'm personally committed to changing both perception and reality and already we're making some significant progress as people of good will of all races are ready to chip in. that requires that we build and not tear down. and that requires we listen and
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not just shout. that's how we're going to move forward together. >> president also announced attorney general eric holder will travel to ferguson right here on wednesday to meet with investigators and community leaders. holder later said in a statement, "i realize there's tremendous interest in the facts of the incident that led to michael brown's death. i ask for the public's patience as we conduct this investigation. the selective release of sensitive information we've seen in this case so far is trouble to me. no matter how others pursue their own separate inquiries, the swrus this department is resolved to preserve the integrity of its investigation. this is a critical step in restoring trust between law enforcement and the community, not just in ferguson but beyond. earlier today i spoke with dr. michael baden who authored the autopsy report commissioned by mike brown's family. just clarify for me a little bit, there's one shot you saying that was ultimately the fatal shot. >> yes. >> that came here somewhere?
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>> yes. the head. >> that's consistent with a police officer shooting down like this, or shooting straight if michael's head was leaned forward? >> that's consistent with that. a lot of different consistencies. those included. >> what is -- the standard on raying procedure, in your long tenure as medical examiner, how common is it to not release those relipreliminary autopsy reports? >> it depends on the agency. it depends tsh some reports are withheld for a while. some aren't. depending on usually what the prosecutor feels is best for his investigation. in my experience, releasing these reports right away is preferable and important for the family and community and transparency is always better than hiding results that can be misinterpreted as some kind of cover-up. >> last question for you. you've been a medical examiner for a long time.
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just as a factual matter about your history, being a medical examiner, how often has been the case you've done an autopsy with this many shots in which charges were not filed? >> well, first of all, they're not filed because they don't catch a perpetrator is the common reason. >> right. if the perpetrator's known and you've done an autopsy with this many shots, how often is it there are no files charged? >> if they know the perpetrator, it's much more common to have some kind of files, but it's very much dependent on the circumstances. >> okay. joining me now, daryl parks, attorney for the family of michael brown. explain to me the rationale behind conducting and releasing the results of this autopsy? >> well, in this case, chris, one of the huge issues has been transparency. we saw them release information out on an alleged shop lifting/robbery they attributed to michael. we thought it was important that we get as much of the truth out about what happened in this case
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while we had an opportunity to. obviously there have been several instances in this situation where this family has not been able to trust the local system and authorities. well, that being the case, as lawyers, it's prudent that we preserve the evidence in this case as best we can. obviously, since we had custody of the body once they turned it back over to us, we had the ability to do our own autopsy. up until now, you had never heard how many possible bullet injuries that michael had had. well, today, you heard some -- to at least get a feeling for how many times this kid had been shot before today, you had heard nothing in that regard. >> what do you say to those who say this is essentially an effort to attempt to try him in the press, this could taint the jury pool, this could prejudice people in advance of a possible grand jury and a possible trial? >> well, e don't think releasing
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the number of times these kids were hit poison the jury pool. they obviously heard about the case. he was shot six or seven times. i don't think that poisons a jury pool in this county. >> we're having reports -- >> for example, i think it really -- what really -- i didn't mean to interrupt you, is when you release something from an incident that had nothing to do with the kid's killing. that would poison the jury pool. >> do you think that was the intention of releasing that convenience store footage? to poison the jury pool? >> no, i think it was to assassinate the character of a man who is dead. i think it was disrespectful to his family to do so when this family hasn't even had a chance to bury their son. so i think that they didn't give this family any regard under the disguise of information request. they gave it out. obviously timing was terrible because they did it the same
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time when they had the duty to give out the name of the officer. so obviously it was -- we all questioned the motive behind that actual -- i think time has told that he was wrong in what he did. >> will attorney general holder be meeting with the family of michael brown, to your knowledge, when he comes here to ferguson? >> i don't have any knowledge on that issue at this time. >> what do you -- we have reports today that indicate that the county prosecutor in question, bob mcculla, who is overseeing the investigation, might present evidence before a grand jury as early as this wednesday, first day the grand jury meets, week the grand jury meets. what's your reaction to that report? >> i think it's important, and i would call for the prosecutor to move expeditiously as possible. i think this is the type of case that he should move at all deliberate speed because getting some type of conclusion to this case is in the public's best
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good. i would hope he would see it in the public's best good to use all resources available to him and citizens of this county to move forward one way or the other so we all can reach some conclusion. >> daryl parks, one of the attorneys for michael brown's family. thank you so much. joining me now, msnbc.com national reporter -- >> thank you for having me, chris. >> -- who has been here all week. today you could just feel the kind of exhaustion in the air everywhere. i mean, there was this kind of roller coaster ride over the course of last week in which you had heavily militarized response, nation kind of woke up to what was happening in ferguson. ron johnson was appointed. there was a breath of fresh air. it seems last few nights we're back to square one. what is your sense of the mood here today? >> first of all, as i mentioned, every time we have this kind of dip and valley, we think we have a tipping point then something crazy happen, right? today was a day of big developments, right? people finally got answers about
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the autopsy. we know how many times we was shot. the governor called the national guard in. some feel that might exacerbate tensions. this is a relatively calm night, right? >> yes. >> it's always this kind of quiet before the storm. in ferguson, when nightfall fa you never know what's going to happen. >> there are folks holding roses, there are children. it's a peaceful -- it's a peaceful protest. you know, one of the things that struck any last night as i was running around amidst the craziness here at 1:00, 2:00 in the morning is the way everyone's thinking about this, and even the governor, himselves said there can be no justice unless there is peace first. people are seeing the situation here as a police situation that needs two managed with the right police approach as opposed to recognizing in the absence of, perspective of the people i'm talking about here, charges for the officer in question, it's going to be unrest. >> it seems so evident to them
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what happened here. the results, there was this shot under the forearm that could have been from behind, in defensive position, or hands up. everything leads for them to a conclusion, you need to arrest, you need to prosecute. something needs to happen. then there will be some semblance of peace. >> right. it's almost as if you're kind of squeezing the balloon right now. >> exactly. >> in terms of the curfew. obviously law enforcement here has to make sure stores aren't broken into, that officers aren't shot at. but it's unclear what the way out right now of this kind of dynamic is. >> and every turn, every decision has grave consequences. enforce a curfew, you're creating another -- >> you're creating drama. i saw this last night firsthand. okay. a curfew in the abstract is one thing. a curfew at five minutes until midnight, you've created a point of resistance and drama, right? >> again, you're creating the line in the sand. >> saying, don't step oef it, a person steps over it, you have to show you're the person in charge then we're seeing what plays out.
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we got word just a few hours ago photojournalist of getti was arrested by police apparently arrested because he walked about 100 feet past where the prescribed area for media was. he's been arrested. there's a number of journalists who were arrested. we were on the ground in ferguson last night, too. we had our own run-in with the police. >> there's what looks like kind of a s. ww.a.t. team standing i the darkness between the qt, a dumpster fire that's been set right near the qt and into the infamous gas station where things went down the first night. that, of course, the qt where people had rumored that he had
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been accused of -- >> what's that? >> getting barked at by the cops not to pass them. >> can you hold your phone up so we can hear that a little better? >> we just said to me on air, media, do not pass me, you're getting maced next time you pass us. >> they're threatening to mace you? >> yes. >> that's what it looked like and sounded like if you were watching us on tv last night. here's what it looked like for us on the ground in ferguson. >> hey, media, get behind us! do not pass us! >> getting barked at by cops not to pass. >> we're live in ferguson, missouri, tonight. stay with us. we've got a lot more. we'll be right back. f purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores.
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i'm here to oversee the missouri national guard response. we have well trained and well seasoned soldiers that will be assigned to prebt the joint command headquarters here. our soldiers have been well trained and have overseen many missions, state response over the years and they're well equipped to handle this mission, well resourced. >> we're on the ground tonight in ferguson. if you're wondering why i've been talking to people via satellite, it's because the area we are in is inside the perimeter where they put the media staging area. it's almost impossible to bring any vehicles whatsoever inside to this area. that's why we're corresponding with those folks who are staged at the police staging area. and that's where national guard troops rolled in today. to, quote, help restore peace and order in the words of missouri governor jay nixon. the governor ordered the national forward into ferguson without alerting the white house, and this afternoon,
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president obama aired a note of skepticism over nixon's decision to do so. >> and i'll be watching over the next several days to assess whether, in fact, it's helping rather than hindering progress in ferguson. >> earlier today, eight people arrested in downtown st. louis, protesting governor nixon's decision to call the national guard into ferguson. nbc affiliate kdsk reports. i had a chance to speak to the governor late this afternoon. joining me now is the democratic governor of missouri, jay nixon. governor, can you tell me the precise moment in the wee ours of the morning when you made the decision to send in the national guard? what prompted that? >> late last night we were getting a debrief after the attack on the command center, fired at police officers. there was a clear indication there was a small group of organized folks, 150 or 200 who put down bricks in street, like i said, throwing mall tov
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cocktails. it became apparent if we're going to continue the police out in the community the way captain johnson and his team were so successful earliy on, what we needed to do was bring in the national guard, not to get out in the community, but protect that command center from those sorts of attacks from these folks coming in from the outside. that's when we made the decision last night. we then worked to make sure the folks that came out there with experienced mps, that understood the challenging but limited responsibility there and we've been putting that unit together over the last 18 hours. >> can you describe what the mission of brigadier general mason is here? i mean, it seems to be a little bit of conflicting reports of whether it's to guard that police command center, whether it's it's essentially spell an exhausted set of police officers who have been doing this night in, not out. what is the mission? >> very clear, to protect and provide security to the command
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center and if necessary, later on in the evening provide those commands -- find other places where there's security. they are not -- they're there to support, but when we talk about helping the others, last night, i mean when you had these folks firing shots and trying to take over the command scenter, the folks in the command center and should have been out in the community and could have been out in the community providing first amendment rights, but also protecting property, were forced to defend that. we want to get back to that situation where the peace march we've been having each evening can happen, where the community involvement is there. and that these folks coming in from the outside that are violent, that are using this, night before last, only two of the arrests were from folks from this direct area. we're clearly tracking some folks coming in bent on violence, and in order to have those police officers able to deal with that in the community, we want that barrier of protection around there that general mason and the guard will provide. under the unified command of the highway patrol.
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>> governor, just a clarify one factual note here, in the early morning press conference given by ron johnson i was present at, he said there was molotov cocktails in what they called an attack on the police command center. others who were participating called it a march. i'm not going to resolve what that is. but were there shots fired at police in the police command center? >> i don't consider it -- i don't consider it a march when people throw molotov cocktails. there are protesters that are legitimate. we need to protect their rights, too. their rights are not protected when folks are shooting guns and firing off molotov cocktails and taking bricks and putting them in the road so vehicles can't get through there. those are all coordinated activity by a hostile group of folks trying to use this horrific incident, tragic death of michael brown for other purposes. while this is hchallenging, we'e going to make sure we protect the first amendment rights, have zoned protests tonight. we cannot condone these folks coming in from outside and
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shoots and firing molotov cocktails, looting. that's not what missouri is about and not what this should be about. >> governor, as a strict matter of law, do you have it in your powers, as the governor of state of missouri, to appoint a special prosecutor to take over the investigation and possible prosecution of the officer in charge, general wilson, and the matter of the shooting of michael brown? do you have that power? >> our focus right now is on the task laid out with security. we're also very -- i had a discussion today with -- another discussion with the president. talked to attorney general holder just the other day. as a response to that, general holder sent out 40 additional fbi agents to move forward on their investigation. i mean, this is a time for the local prosecutor. he has a duty to stand up. we'll watch all of that. the focus today, after last night's aggressive activity by these outsiders from my chair has been -- the focus has been to make sure that we get that security in there so these officers can get back out in the community. so they can continue to allow
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folks to have their first amendment rights but not have a town have shotguns, shots and guns and attacking police officers. we've got to -- that's a relatively small focus. if you get rid of the -- getting rid of the curfew and focusing our attention on those bad folks that are are out there trying to use this tragedy for other purposes, we think gives us a better opportunity to get the dual responsibilities here of peace and justice zondone. we'll get up tomorrow morning and look at what the options are are. my focus is on that narrow task with what happened last night. >> totally understand that. just finally, though, to tgo bak to the question, to you have the power under missouri law to appoint a special prosecutor? >> the power of a governor, when you have an emergency, it's broad. it's not something that at this particular moment i'm -- it's not the challenge i'm working, but, you know, we want to -- with these dual processes and the transparency that comes from
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that, and the additional resources and the fact the attorney general is going to be here on wednesday, you know, and as was said both by him and the president, at least by the president, that he's going to be meeting with his investigators, he's going to be meeting with the fbi agents. we'll look at -- we want to get through tonight and we're hopeful folks will be peaceful. we're hopeful that -- last night -- i think it's important to for everybody to know, last night police officers had shots at them and as we woke up this morning, they didn't fire back and shoot or harm those folks and they, themselves, we didn't lose any officers last night. there was major police work done last night by captain johnson on the front line with the st. louis police department, county police department and a unified force. i'm confident the additional security provided to the command post will allow them to work togeth tonight in a challenges law enforcement situation. >> missouri governor jay nixon,
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thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we've got a live interview with the man who is at the center of this as much as anyone, captain ron johnson will join me live, next. stick around for that.
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joining me now is the man in the center of it all, captain ron johnson of the missouri state highway patrol. captain, with the national guard now having been deployed, are you still in charge of the
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security situation here in ferguson? >> yes, i am. the governor has put the national guard under my command. >> what is -- what are the protocols, for lack of a better term, rules of engagement with protesters that those national guard military police, your officers and state highway patrol, are are being trained on and instructed on? how are they being trained to evaluate and react so as to avoid elevation and escalation if they can? >> we've given specific guidelines to ensure that everyone has their rights to a peaceful protest. >> i want to ask you about the speech that you gave on sunday. it was a pretty remarkable speech. you spoke from the heart about your own son. you said i'm sorry to the mike brown family which is something we, no one had heard i think explicitly from law enforcement. were you just talking from your
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heart there, and what do you hope can come out of you being so emotionally present as you have been these last few days? is that going to be enough to defuse this incredibly fraught, tense, situation? >> i'll tell you, i've been humbled by how this community has come together. i went to that church service yesterday, and looking at those citizens who stood up and applauded the changes that we've made here, and so i think it is making a voice. i think we're seeing a separation between those peaceful protesters, the good people of ferguson, the good people of missouri, the good people from all across this country that traveled to missouri. we are seeing a separation, those that are bent on having conflict, vandalism, and causing injury to this community. and i use the word injury. they're causing an injury to our community. so we're seeing a separation. last night i've got a lot of
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calls that say, we're supporting you. you did the right thing. this morning, a lot of calls saying we support you, you're doing the right thing, because those individuals last night are not reflective of who we are or what we want and they're being disrespectful to mike brown's family and the death of mike brown. >> on one incident last night, that you said at the press conference early this morning, around 2:00 or 3:00 a.m., kind of precipitated the escalation. it was the people coming toward the staging area where you are right now. you said there are molotov cocktails thrown. i talked to three clergy members today who led that march who said there were no molotov cockta cocktails. do you want to respond to that? >> there were. what happens is our peaceful protesters are marching in peace, and i use the word marching in peace. these other protesters are bent
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on causing conflict are joined into those. and their tactics are planned, calculated and the things that they're doing may not be exactly visible to those peaceful protesters because they're coming from behind those protesters at other, the peaceful marchers may senot see. i watch those in anger. i watch those in anger. i want to enshure you we're not going to stop peaceful protesters from voicing their opinion and having a voice by those who are bent on creating chaos. we will stop their on fliconfli. >> do you believe the law enforcement under your command, which spans a number of municipalities, do you trust the officers when they're out here are carrying the empathy in their heart, see them as the
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client they're serving, that you so obviously do? do you trust that? >> yes, i do. i believe they feel their pain, they feel their sorrow. i can tell you today, we started today. we started today with our press conferences. and i got up this morning, i said, you know what, we need to have some faith within our press conferences, and you saw we ended it with a prayer. today, we started all of our briefings on with a prayer. and i say just to bring it home, that what this is all about. it is about making us all better. it's about joining in. it's about that faith and the things that make us strong. and so, yes, and i told each of them today, i know each of us are going home and praying. i know people are praying for all of our safety and their safety. the only way we're going to ensure that, whether it's in this community or any other community, we have to make this situation better, but we have to let those people that are bent on creating chaos and conflict within our nation, within our community, we have to let them
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know, we'll stand against that and we have to stand together, whether you live in ferguson or not, we have to stand for that. because this could be any place, this could come into any community. i think what we do here has got to stand for this nation. one thing i saw this morning, i rode down floreson by myself, and i just looked and saw more officers today talking to individuals, smiling with individuals. and i tell you, it brought a smile to my face. i just kind of shook my head and said, you know what, we're gaining ground. we're getting back to what is the finest community policing. this has made us get out of our cars. we have officers standing on police corners. we're going whdoing what we hav throughout the country. we have to be there and not just in cars driving up and down the street. this brought us to where we need to be and need to be after throughout this nation. >> acaptain ron johnson, state highway patrol. thank you so much for time tonight, sir. >> thank you very much, sir. >> we will have much more live from ferguson. stick around.
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the big incident last night that precipitated the elevated response that captain ron johnson said he was forced to bring about is in dispute. the police for captain johnson and the governor as you saw earlier on our air saying protesters attacked on a march last night, near the front, a police staging earliee ining ar. earlier today i interviewed three clergy members. they gave a difference account of what happened. note one of the captains you're about to hear mentioned the same timeframe, 8:30 to 9:00 p.m. local time last night. >> we were in dialogue with the young people, encouraging them to be safe, encouraging them to keep their wits about them. they were responding back to us, that was their intention. they were clearly shouting, hands up, don't shoot. they were making a legitimate, peaceful, public protest. as we add vanlvanced to the sta
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area, what had been a pulled together and formal area in previous nights and even during the day was much less defined last night than it had been before, so there was no kind of clear demarcation of where you could stand, where you couldn't. and then without provocation, the military vehicles arrived, firing tear gas, smoke, and rubber bullets. there were no molotov cocktails from our vantage point. there were no rocks thrown. there were no shots fired. >> that directly contradicts -- i should say, captain johnson and the official police account is they responded to molotov cocktails and bottles thrown. >> from our vantage point, we did not see that. >> no, none whatsoever. we actually had our staff -- >> reverend. >> good seeing you, brother. >> some of our staff were there on the front lines and they say sthat without much warning the law enforcement and police forces begin to fire these canisters and all of these projectiles into crowds with elderly, with children -- >> you're saying this march
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contained a multigenerational -- >> i was actually on the frontline leading and holding the line. what we were -- as we were marching up the hill, and there were children, mostly -- >> elderly folks in wheelchairs. >> mostly 20-somethings in the line. hands up, don't shoot. all of a sudden three urban tanks came, cut us off. cut the front of the line off. said, disperse immediately. began to shoot tear gas. they began to shoot tear gas. chaos ensued. there was a ledge not too far from where we are, so people ran up the ledge to get away from it. they continued to shoot tear gas with children on that ledge. and kept continually moving -- >> kept advancing. >> you're all saying you did not see bottles, molotov cocktails. >> the violence that occurred, any violence that occurred after -- any violence that occurred occurred after the police attacked peaceful protests. >> and it is a moral
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contradiction to declare that, or to disparage the young people's lack of discipline. when the law enforcement, themselves, have shown no discipline in how they're engaging american citizens. >> okay. let me just -- let's have this out, because the law enforcement is going to say is this is what happened. on thursday night we pulled back, there was a jubilant festival on the street. i was there, i saw it firsthand. the next night, there was a similar thing. after late -- >> that's a very important point. this began at 9:00 p.m. three hours before the curfew was to begin. this began with peaceful protesters. young people. elderly. little children in hand. >> that had not reached the line. >> that had not even reached the line. the line was not clearly defined as it had been previous evenings. if there were instructions from law enforcement, they were hard to hear and hear clearly because of the screeching sirens they were playing -- >> playing the crowd control.
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>> the crowd control sirens. made it very difficult for folks to hear and understand the instructions of police. the young people were not the instigators in this. from our vantage point, that is not what we saw. >> it is not what we saw. >> when the tear gas and smoke and bullets began to fly, those young people did the appropriate thing and they fled in the other direction and kept moves ing ine other direction as the police and all the intimidating military vehicles kept advancing on them. >> we'll be right back here in ferguson, missouri, as night is beginning to fall. folks are walking up and down the main avenue. many holding roses. many saying, hands up, don't shoot. we'll bring you all that and more, ahead. ♪ [ dog barks ] ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine the cars we drive... being able to see so clearly... to respond so intelligently and so quickly, they can help protect us from a world of unseen danger.
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mike brown has been put on paid leave, has been able to leave ferguson, that is insult to injury to many of the people walking up and down the street here and they're walking up and down the street now because they've been told they are not allowed to stand still. the first amendment peaceable assembly afforded these people right now requires them to keep moving at all time which is why you see them pacing up and down west floreson. we'll be back with much more live from ferguson, next. summer collection is here. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] during the cadillac summer's best event, lease this all-new 2014 cts for around $459 a month or purchase with 0% apr. hurry in -- this exceptional offer ends soon. or purchase with 0% apr. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner,
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it is dusk here in ferguson, missouri, and it is as of right now peaceful with protesters walking up and down florissant. absent are any vehicles thanks to police checkpoints to keep people from driving down here. some of the tensest, most dramatic, intense moments that have come in the wee hours of the morning have come as community leaders and some of the folks here in the community who are protesting have squared off against people that were attempting to loot or attempting, they felt, to
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together. an approach ron johnson was taking about before. i should note, as much as there's a community policing approach, a lot of officials don't have name badges on them which makes it very difficult to provide accountability in the moment. you're seeing, though, there, clergy and the police talking and praying. joining me, antonio french, and paul muhammad. both of these gentleman have been intimately involved in trying to channel protests in peaceful means in interactions late in the night. johnson, just while we had him at that camera, moments ago, what happened there? >> captain johnson and i had a very brief interaction. he was called off to another event down in the ground zero area to go and take care of -- so we didn't really have an opportunity to have that much interaction. he thanked me for being involved and helping out in the efforts.
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i had a few questions that i wanted to interact and ask him about our accountability, continuing to listen and work with the people and be about our work and what we say we're going to do with forces on the ground. we weren't able to have that conversation yet. >> alderman french, are you satisfied right now with the police response? you've been very outspoken in condemning the looters, in standing physically in front of them. in trying to deescalate such situations. do you think the police are doing their part to that as well? >> well, i'm very happy to see a peaceful night so far here in ferguson. we've been through a lot. especially last night. i'm happy to see that the police officers are out here and they're getting the support they need with the national guard. there are some things that trouble me. the fact that people are anot allowed in walk and stand still on the sidewalk without fear of arrest. i think we can loosen the reins
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a little buiit on that and i'lle continuing to advocate for that. step one was to establish peace. it was just -- it was just a very bad situation we had last night. >> yes, indeed. >> when we see scenes of children being gassed, we have to take every measure to avoid that. >> it seems to me, paul, and alderman, there's this kind of dynamic that set in in the early hours of the morning in which if some small group of people is, as police say, intent on provoking the response, they can reliably provoke that response. so it's this twisted kind of dynamic that sets in which people that want to see tear gas, or want to see rubber bullets and police who are on hair trigger and one of them screamed at me last night, and seemed really kind of geared up, that in that environment, it's not hard to bring about the kinds of scenes that we've seen. how do you break out of that cycle? >> well, that's understandable, but let's set the record straight that i don't think i'd be remiss or out of order by
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saying 95% of the protesters last night and all the nights have been very peaceful. now, are there provocateurs in the crowd? there may be. if we have women, child, elderly, handicap, and peacemakers in the crowd, peacekeepers that are there defusing situations and regulating our people and policing ourselves, there's no reason why we should have to be ruled and chased down and shot at and gassed and misrepresented as if we weren't a peaceful and civilized people, because that's definitely the spin we've had put on our situation and our city and that's not the truth at all. >> i think it's also important to note that our present situation is really a result of a trust that's been broken. >> that's right. >> by the police kdepartment, b the ferguson police tdepartment especially. communities do need policed and we find ourselves in a situation where the mere presence of police enrages people, and almost causes a riot. and we have to fix that.
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>> that's right. >> it's not a sustainable situation. once we get into this crisis, we have a long road ahead in rebuilding that trust, but it has to be done. >> alderman, as i've been here talking to people all through the day, the last few days, i mean, the tension -- the tension, frankly, trauma, the anguish, the anger, all of that is almost -- you can almost feel it like the humidity in the air. it is so thick and seems to me whatever the police tactics are used, that's not going to be the thing that releases the pressure. i mean, what ultimately is going to be what kind of takes the pressure out of the air here in ferguson? >> well, really what people have been waiting for now for over a week, and now we're into our second week, is something to be done in the way of justice for this killing of this young man. you know, we're waiting for all the facts and people have been patient. most people have been patient. >> right. >> but we still haven't seen anything, whether that's an arrest or an indictment or some conclusion to this saga.
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but people are hungry for justice. >> right. >> and we want to let -- we want to remind these young people especially that justice is slow moving, but we can achieve peace very quickly and hopefully we can have a peaceful night tonight while we all together wait for the wheels of justice to move on. >> i'd like to add to that. we have to understand, and be sensitive to the fact, that peace deget begets peace and vi begets violence. if you chase them down when they're trying to exercise their first amendment right to gather, our right to have freedom of speech, and collectively come together on an issue of atrocity and injustice, people are angry and hurt and rightfully so. our purpose as our elders and figureheads and community that are concerned just as much as our youth are is to keep those situations regulated, and to keep our people at peace. it's hard to keep a people at peace that are being hurt and that are in pain and that are being provoked into action.
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and false representations and lies are being told about those people in the community. we need to be honest, have sensitivity with law enforcement and not rule over our people with an iron fist as if we are not all human. when you're looking down the scope of a gun, shooting people, not having any compassion. we cannot go that way. if it continues to go that way, people will continue to be insighted. we have to those types of collective conversations, be honest with one another and respect one another if we truly want to move forward with justice and equality. >> community activist paul muhamammad, antonio french. that's it for this edition of qul autoin." we'll be live from ferguson at 11:00 p.m. eastern. the "rachel maddow show" begins right now. good evening, chris, amazing work. well cone. thanks to you at home for joining us tonight. there's a lot going on in the world right now from iraq, to ukraine, governor perry got his arraignment date today for when he gets his mugshot taken. we've got

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